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		<title>By: Sam Addington</title>
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		<author>Sam Addington</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2011 15:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have adjusted the screw on my pendulum as far down as it will go, but the clock still gains 5 minutes every 12 hours.  I saw the suggestion of adding weight to the pendulum (say some paper clips?)  Will that work?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;em&gt;&lt;p&gt;Hi Sam. It would be worth a try. Sometimes there is friction in the pendulum or gearwork mechanism and a bob with more mass would have more momentum that might overcome the frictional effects that are not considered, or insufficiently accounted for, in theoretical results.  Good luck, I hope it helps. Let me know either way.  ---  Ron&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/em&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have adjusted the screw on my pendulum as far down as it will go, but the clock still gains 5 minutes every 12 hours.  I saw the suggestion of adding weight to the pendulum (say some paper clips?)  Will that work?</p>
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<p>Hi Sam. It would be worth a try. Sometimes there is friction in the pendulum or gearwork mechanism and a bob with more mass would have more momentum that might overcome the frictional effects that are not considered, or insufficiently accounted for, in theoretical results.  Good luck, I hope it helps. Let me know either way.  &#8212;  Ron</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Thomas</title>
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		<author>Fred Thomas</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2011 22:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your kind comments Ron! I still do enjoy writng a bit, but I am an engineer and spend most of my time working on developing new products. Work in the PC business now, after working on data storage devices for 15 years (Zip drive etc.), prior to that I had an instrument business and prior to that worked in the defense electro-optics business. Pretty chaotic-pendulum-like career, but there is a strange attractor central to it all ;) -- an opportunity to work on some innovative stuff. Well, thanks again for the kind comments and glad you enjoyed the read. You might be the 6th or 7th person to read it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your kind comments Ron! I still do enjoy writng a bit, but I am an engineer and spend most of my time working on developing new products. Work in the PC business now, after working on data storage devices for 15 years (Zip drive etc.), prior to that I had an instrument business and prior to that worked in the defense electro-optics business. Pretty chaotic-pendulum-like career, but there is a strange attractor central to it all <img src='http://myreckonings.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> &#8212; an opportunity to work on some innovative stuff. Well, thanks again for the kind comments and glad you enjoyed the read. You might be the 6th or 7th person to read it!</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Thomas</title>
		<link>http://myreckonings.com/wordpress/2007/11/19/the-not-so-simple-pendulum/#comment-1913</link>
		<author>Fred Thomas</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jan 2011 16:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Very interesting article. Pendulums are a very rich topic. I google "pendulum" every once in a while and came across your site. I wrote my Master Degree Thesis on the chaotic response of forced pendulums. I find them of interest, obviously. I appreciate your article! Nice work. A summary of my work on the topic follows for those interested in pendulums. My university recently sent me a pdf file of the many-year-ago effort. Posted it on Scribd. Some here might find it of interest. Who would think an oscillating mass would have such fidelity and breadth of application and theory.  A link to the full work is: http://www.scribd.com/doc/26783252/Fred-C-Thomas-III-BU-MSME-Thesis-Chaos-Theory-Demo-Machine-1990  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Forced Chaotic Pendulum Paper Description:&lt;br /&gt;
A sinusoidally-forced, large-amplitude pendulum was designed and built to demostrate the chaotic behavior that can arise in a simple nonlinear system. Following a brief review of the terminology associated with the study of chaos, the design of the forced pendulum, dubbed The Chaos Machine, is presented. Special attention is given to the electronic control system used to produce the sinusoidally varying torque that drives the pendulum. Standard frequency response techniques and time-domain simulations are used in the design of the control system. Finally, typical responses of the pendulum are presented that demonstrate phase-locked periodic and chaotic nonperiodic motion. The Chaos Machine promises to be a useful tool for teaching undergraduate students about nonlinear system dynamics.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;em&gt;&lt;p&gt;Thanks, Fred! I read through your entire thesis and found it to be the clearest explanation of chaos theory that I have encountered! I've never had detailed knowledge of chaos theory, so it was refreshing to learn about it from such a well-written (and apparently letter-perfect!) source. The reason that a simple pendulum has a linear response at small angles is very apparent from your explanation of the difference between the approximate linear and exact non-linear differential equations governing it (the use of theta rather than the actual sin(theta) in the equation).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I hope you are a science or electrical engineering teacher now, because you have a real flair for explaining things. It took me a long time (years, in fact) to realize the importance to the engagement of the reader of starting from basic principles even though they are already known by the reader. Even today I struggle to write clearly, and my attempts on this blog represent many false starts, stops and edits.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hey, I just went to your website link--I've been there before to your page on charts and nomographs! I see you have pages on many educational topics.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks again, Fred, for putting your thesis online. I enjoyed reading it, and I found a very old friend in the LM741 op-amp! I used them back in the early 80's to make (among other things) a closed-loop control system for the electromagnetic field of a large spectrometer by measuring the energy loss in an electrical circuit from the magnetic resonance of a glycerin tablet rotating in the field. Cheers! ---  Ron&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/em&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting article. Pendulums are a very rich topic. I google &#8220;pendulum&#8221; every once in a while and came across your site. I wrote my Master Degree Thesis on the chaotic response of forced pendulums. I find them of interest, obviously. I appreciate your article! Nice work. A summary of my work on the topic follows for those interested in pendulums. My university recently sent me a pdf file of the many-year-ago effort. Posted it on Scribd. Some here might find it of interest. Who would think an oscillating mass would have such fidelity and breadth of application and theory.  A link to the full work is: <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/26783252/Fred-C-Thomas-III-BU-MSME-Thesis-Chaos-Theory-Demo-Machine-1990" rel="nofollow">http://www.scribd.com/doc/26783252/Fred-C-Thomas-III-BU-MSME-Thesis-Chaos-Theory-Demo-Machine-1990</a>  </p>
<p>Forced Chaotic Pendulum Paper Description:<br />
A sinusoidally-forced, large-amplitude pendulum was designed and built to demostrate the chaotic behavior that can arise in a simple nonlinear system. Following a brief review of the terminology associated with the study of chaos, the design of the forced pendulum, dubbed The Chaos Machine, is presented. Special attention is given to the electronic control system used to produce the sinusoidally varying torque that drives the pendulum. Standard frequency response techniques and time-domain simulations are used in the design of the control system. Finally, typical responses of the pendulum are presented that demonstrate phase-locked periodic and chaotic nonperiodic motion. The Chaos Machine promises to be a useful tool for teaching undergraduate students about nonlinear system dynamics.</p>
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<p>Thanks, Fred! I read through your entire thesis and found it to be the clearest explanation of chaos theory that I have encountered! I&#8217;ve never had detailed knowledge of chaos theory, so it was refreshing to learn about it from such a well-written (and apparently letter-perfect!) source. The reason that a simple pendulum has a linear response at small angles is very apparent from your explanation of the difference between the approximate linear and exact non-linear differential equations governing it (the use of theta rather than the actual sin(theta) in the equation).</p>
<p>I hope you are a science or electrical engineering teacher now, because you have a real flair for explaining things. It took me a long time (years, in fact) to realize the importance to the engagement of the reader of starting from basic principles even though they are already known by the reader. Even today I struggle to write clearly, and my attempts on this blog represent many false starts, stops and edits.</p>
<p>Hey, I just went to your website link&#8211;I&#8217;ve been there before to your page on charts and nomographs! I see you have pages on many educational topics.</p>
<p>Thanks again, Fred, for putting your thesis online. I enjoyed reading it, and I found a very old friend in the LM741 op-amp! I used them back in the early 80&#8217;s to make (among other things) a closed-loop control system for the electromagnetic field of a large spectrometer by measuring the energy loss in an electrical circuit from the magnetic resonance of a glycerin tablet rotating in the field. Cheers! &#8212;  Ron</p>
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		<title>By: Benji</title>
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		<author>Benji</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2010 02:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I came across your blog from Make Magazine and I thoroughly enjoy it.  The works of John Harrison have captivated me since I read &lt;i&gt;Longitude&lt;/i&gt; by Dava Sobel in high school.  It was at that point that I realized all the science, math, and engineering I take for granted.  A pair of 12 dollar wristwatches would have been a godsend in the 1700s.  But I digress, I enjoy the site and look forward to future posts.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;em&gt;&lt;p&gt; Thanks, Benji. I haven't posted lately but I've been very busy working on these types of things so there are essays in the pipeline.  ---  Ron&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came across your blog from Make Magazine and I thoroughly enjoy it.  The works of John Harrison have captivated me since I read <i>Longitude</i> by Dava Sobel in high school.  It was at that point that I realized all the science, math, and engineering I take for granted.  A pair of 12 dollar wristwatches would have been a godsend in the 1700s.  But I digress, I enjoy the site and look forward to future posts.</p>
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<p> Thanks, Benji. I haven&#8217;t posted lately but I&#8217;ve been very busy working on these types of things so there are essays in the pipeline.  &#8212;  Ron</p>
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		<author>Peter Goodwin</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 01:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating, even if a lot of the maths is beyond me. But one thing puzzles me, re the temperature compensation - this sentence: "If the ratio is 2:1, two rods can be used to expand downward and one rod upward, and so forth for different ratios." Isn't it the relative lengths, not the number of rods? ie if the ratio of expansion coefficients is 1:2 then one rod of length x will require another with length x/2 to compensate, and the doubling up of rods either side was just for reasons of mechanical construction or avoiding a bending moment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating, even if a lot of the maths is beyond me. But one thing puzzles me, re the temperature compensation - this sentence: &#8220;If the ratio is 2:1, two rods can be used to expand downward and one rod upward, and so forth for different ratios.&#8221; Isn&#8217;t it the relative lengths, not the number of rods? ie if the ratio of expansion coefficients is 1:2 then one rod of length x will require another with length x/2 to compensate, and the doubling up of rods either side was just for reasons of mechanical construction or avoiding a bending moment?</p>
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		<title>By: Donald J. Ziriax</title>
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		<author>Donald J. Ziriax</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 18:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am looking for a pendulum for my Japanese gravity clock.  Can you help?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;em&gt;&lt;p&gt;Hi Donald. I'm sorry, but I don't have any suggestions for you. If anyone else here who is familiar with this clock has a suggestion, please leave a comment here. Thanks. --- Ron &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/em&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am looking for a pendulum for my Japanese gravity clock.  Can you help?</p>
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<p>Hi Donald. I&#8217;m sorry, but I don&#8217;t have any suggestions for you. If anyone else here who is familiar with this clock has a suggestion, please leave a comment here. Thanks. &#8212; Ron </p>
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		<title>By: Christian Gomez</title>
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		<author>Christian Gomez</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 00:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this site is awesome</description>
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		<title>By: Matt Healy</title>
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		<author>Matt Healy</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 04:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Perhaps the most accurate pendulum clock ever built was constructed by Prof. E.T. Hall in the 1990s.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;http://www.hsn161.com/hsn_article.php&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/1337670/Professor-E-T-Teddy-Hall.html&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It used an elaborate computerized control system that monitored the motions of the pendulum with an LED and photocell so that nothing needed to physically contact the pendulum and an electromagnet gave it precisely enough energy to keep its swing at a constant amplitude.  Temperature was controlled to a fraction of a degree Celsius.  To reduce the effect of vibrations, he built an elaborate support structure with about 12 tonnes of concrete.  He managed accuracy about an order of magnitude better than the Shortt free pendulum clock of the 1920s&lt;br /&gt;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escapement#Free_pendulum_clock&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;em&gt;&lt;p&gt;Wow, his clock simply amazing to read about. At the moment I'm reading "My Own Right Time: An Exploration of Clockwork Design" by Philip Woodward, from a recommendation of an horologist who contacted me. What a great book--it's his story of how he started out knowing very little about pendulum clocks and his failures and successes in trying to design the most accurate one he could. It's extremely readable with a light air, while delivering a great deal of technical information. (It's also extremely expensive new at Amazon, so mine's through interlibrary loan!)  ---  Ron&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps the most accurate pendulum clock ever built was constructed by Prof. E.T. Hall in the 1990s.</p>
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<p>It used an elaborate computerized control system that monitored the motions of the pendulum with an LED and photocell so that nothing needed to physically contact the pendulum and an electromagnet gave it precisely enough energy to keep its swing at a constant amplitude.  Temperature was controlled to a fraction of a degree Celsius.  To reduce the effect of vibrations, he built an elaborate support structure with about 12 tonnes of concrete.  He managed accuracy about an order of magnitude better than the Shortt free pendulum clock of the 1920s<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escapement#Free_pendulum_clock" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escapement#Free_pendulum_clock</a></p>
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<p>Wow, his clock simply amazing to read about. At the moment I&#8217;m reading &#8220;My Own Right Time: An Exploration of Clockwork Design&#8221; by Philip Woodward, from a recommendation of an horologist who contacted me. What a great book&#8211;it&#8217;s his story of how he started out knowing very little about pendulum clocks and his failures and successes in trying to design the most accurate one he could. It&#8217;s extremely readable with a light air, while delivering a great deal of technical information. (It&#8217;s also extremely expensive new at Amazon, so mine&#8217;s through interlibrary loan!)  &#8212;  Ron</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Emmerson</title>
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		<author>Alan Emmerson</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 01:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Liked your pendulum paper.  The so called barometric effects  are not actually caused by pressure variation. Bouyancy change due to density change due to temperature change alters the restoring torque, absolute humidity change  alters density and viscoscity and thence rate of energy loss, equilibrium amplitude and period.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The name of the Russian was Feodsii Michailovich Fedchenko. The path followed by the centre of mass of his pendulum has not been determined but it probably was not cycloidal.&lt;br /&gt;
All pendulum clocks can sense the lunar solar efffect ie tides. It's just that the variation is swamped by other sources of instability.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You will see some papers on these subjects on my website.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Incidentally I reckon the term used to be deduced reckoning. Dead reckoning is a coruption.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Alan&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;em&gt;&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the correction on the barometric effects, Alan. I've updated the essay to incorporate your changes as well as some I received from others via email. I've also read that "dead reckoning" comes from "deduced reckoning" and here I'm corrupting it even more with wordplay by implying dead forms of math reckoning. :)  I've also added your website to the list of references at the end of the essay---your papers on that site are fascinating, just the kind of thing I'm aiming for in this blog! --- Ron&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/em&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liked your pendulum paper.  The so called barometric effects  are not actually caused by pressure variation. Bouyancy change due to density change due to temperature change alters the restoring torque, absolute humidity change  alters density and viscoscity and thence rate of energy loss, equilibrium amplitude and period.</p>
<p>The name of the Russian was Feodsii Michailovich Fedchenko. The path followed by the centre of mass of his pendulum has not been determined but it probably was not cycloidal.<br />
All pendulum clocks can sense the lunar solar efffect ie tides. It&#8217;s just that the variation is swamped by other sources of instability.</p>
<p>You will see some papers on these subjects on my website.</p>
<p>Incidentally I reckon the term used to be deduced reckoning. Dead reckoning is a coruption.</p>
<p>Alan</p>
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<p>Thanks for the correction on the barometric effects, Alan. I&#8217;ve updated the essay to incorporate your changes as well as some I received from others via email. I&#8217;ve also read that &#8220;dead reckoning&#8221; comes from &#8220;deduced reckoning&#8221; and here I&#8217;m corrupting it even more with wordplay by implying dead forms of math reckoning. <img src='http://myreckonings.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I&#8217;ve also added your website to the list of references at the end of the essay&#8212;your papers on that site are fascinating, just the kind of thing I&#8217;m aiming for in this blog! &#8212; Ron</p>
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		<title>By: FMS_Lima</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 08:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear R. Doerfler,

   I've just submitted that other paper on the large-angle pendulum period to Am. J. Phys.  This complete version will soon be posted on the Cornell "arxiv" and then you can post a copy on your WebSite.  You will surely be glad to know that I included you at the Acknowledgments, at the end of the paper.
   After some days of rest I'll try to solve some (several)century-old problems in Mathematics, namely the determination of a closed-form for zeta(3) = sum(1/(n^3), n=1..infinity) and also the Catalan constant [=sum((-1)^(n-1)/((2n-1)^2), n=1..infinity)].  I think this will demand at least one year. In the meantime I intend to treat some other problems in quantum physics.
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<p>   I&#8217;ve just submitted that other paper on the large-angle pendulum period to Am. J. Phys.  This complete version will soon be posted on the Cornell &#8220;arxiv&#8221; and then you can post a copy on your WebSite.  You will surely be glad to know that I included you at the Acknowledgments, at the end of the paper.<br />
   After some days of rest I&#8217;ll try to solve some (several)century-old problems in Mathematics, namely the determination of a closed-form for zeta(3) = sum(1/(n^3), n=1..infinity) and also the Catalan constant [=sum((-1)^(n-1)/((2n-1)^2), n=1..infinity)].  I think this will demand at least one year. In the meantime I intend to treat some other problems in quantum physics.<br />
   Thanks,</p>
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		<title>By: FMS_Lima</title>
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		<author>FMS_Lima</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 02:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A comment I have to do on the response of Ron D. to Gregg (#2 question, above) is that the pendulum period is actually affected by the angular amplitude (Ron D. named ”&#952;”), but the formula T=T&lt;sub&gt;0&lt;/sub&gt;(1+&#952;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;/16) suggested by Ron is poor in comparison to a logarithmic one I introduced in one of my recent works [American Journal of Physics vol. 74 (10), p.892 (2006)]. Take a look and help me to disseminate this interesting approach to the pendulum period (if you wish I can send you a PDF copy by e-mail). Thanks.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Thanks for the pointer! I’ve read through your paper (which can be downloaded as http://arxiv.org/vc/physics/papers/0510/0510206v1.pdf) and you’re absolutely correct. For the information of others here, the approximation I provided (from the truncation of a series by Bernoulli) is calculated in the paper as having an error of 0.1% and 0.5% for amplitudes of 41° and 60°, respectively. Dr. Lima derived a logarithmic approximation by linear interpolation of the denominator in the elliptic integral of the exact solution, yielding T = -T&lt;sub&gt;0&lt;/sub&gt; ln(a)/(1-a), where T&lt;sub&gt;0&lt;/sub&gt; is the small-angle formula and a = cos(&#952;/2). This formula exhibits an error of 0.1% and 0.2% for amplitudes of 74° and 86°, respectively. This is a significant improvement for such a simple formula, and as the paper points out, this is increasingly important as today’s electronic timers and detectors are available to students in physics labs. Thanks again for taking the time to comment on this. — Ron&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A comment I have to do on the response of Ron D. to Gregg (#2 question, above) is that the pendulum period is actually affected by the angular amplitude (Ron D. named ”&theta;”), but the formula T=T<sub>0</sub>(1+&theta;<sup>2</sup>/16) suggested by Ron is poor in comparison to a logarithmic one I introduced in one of my recent works [American Journal of Physics vol. 74 (10), p.892 (2006)]. Take a look and help me to disseminate this interesting approach to the pendulum period (if you wish I can send you a PDF copy by e-mail). Thanks.</p>
<p><em>Thanks for the pointer! I’ve read through your paper (which can be downloaded as <a href="http://arxiv.org/vc/physics/papers/0510/0510206v1.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://arxiv.org/vc/physics/papers/0510/0510206v1.pdf</a>) and you’re absolutely correct. For the information of others here, the approximation I provided (from the truncation of a series by Bernoulli) is calculated in the paper as having an error of 0.1% and 0.5% for amplitudes of 41° and 60°, respectively. Dr. Lima derived a logarithmic approximation by linear interpolation of the denominator in the elliptic integral of the exact solution, yielding T = -T<sub>0</sub> ln(a)/(1-a), where T<sub>0</sub> is the small-angle formula and a = cos(&theta;/2). This formula exhibits an error of 0.1% and 0.2% for amplitudes of 74° and 86°, respectively. This is a significant improvement for such a simple formula, and as the paper points out, this is increasingly important as today’s electronic timers and detectors are available to students in physics labs. Thanks again for taking the time to comment on this. — Ron</em></p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://myreckonings.com/wordpress/2007/11/19/the-not-so-simple-pendulum/#comment-19</link>
		<author>Jim</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 03:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I  find it interesting that it has been demonstrated that it is impossible to make a perfect pendulum on Earth.  In the '50's, a Russian (I have his name somewhere) developed the "perfect" pendulum using counter operating suspension springs to achieve true cycloidal motion without friction.  The pendulum was detached to avoid interference and incorporated every conceivable refinement for temperature, pressure, etc.  It worked great, except it was so precise it was affected by the tides and gained or lost time depending on the relative position of the moon.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;em&gt;&lt;p&gt;I hadn't heard of this. Alan Emmerson also refers to it in a later comment below. --- Ron&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I  find it interesting that it has been demonstrated that it is impossible to make a perfect pendulum on Earth.  In the &#8217;50&#8217;s, a Russian (I have his name somewhere) developed the &#8220;perfect&#8221; pendulum using counter operating suspension springs to achieve true cycloidal motion without friction.  The pendulum was detached to avoid interference and incorporated every conceivable refinement for temperature, pressure, etc.  It worked great, except it was so precise it was affected by the tides and gained or lost time depending on the relative position of the moon.</p>
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<p>I hadn&#8217;t heard of this. Alan Emmerson also refers to it in a later comment below. &#8212; Ron</p>
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		<title>By: Gregg</title>
		<link>http://myreckonings.com/wordpress/2007/11/19/the-not-so-simple-pendulum/#comment-10</link>
		<author>Gregg</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have been trying to set my pendulum clock for a couple of months now and for the life of me can not figure out whether moving the bob up speeds up the clock or slows it down. I realize the speed of the clock is somewhat dependent on the distance of the bob. Does the bob move faster when farther away or slower? Any help would be great.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Hi Gregg. All other things being equal, the period of a pendulum increases as the bob moves further from the pivot point, so the clock slows down. The approximate equation for the period T of a pendulum in terms of the acceleration g due to earth's gravity, the constant pi, and the length L (measured from the pivot point to the center of mass) is  T = 2&#960;(L/g)&lt;sup&gt;1/2&lt;/sup&gt;, so the period increases as the square root of the length. In other words, if we assume all the mass is located in the bob, doubling its distance will increase its period by a factor of 2&lt;sup&gt;1/2&lt;/sup&gt;=1.414. The exact equation for the period of a pendulum is not expressible as a finite equation like this, but it turns out that the period calculated from it also varies directly with the square root of L. Perhaps your inconsistent results are due to changes happening in the amplitude of the pendulum swing when you move the bob---larger swings of a pendulum increase its period, and here the exact equation can be approximated as T = T&lt;sub&gt;0&lt;/sub&gt;(1 + &#952;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;/16), where T&lt;sub&gt;0&lt;/sub&gt; is the small-angle period calculated from the earlier formula and &#952; is the amplitude (angle) of the swing. So if the swing increases as a side effect of moving the bob closer to the pivot point, then they will have opposing effects on the period that can make understanding what is going on much more difficult.  --- Ron D.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been trying to set my pendulum clock for a couple of months now and for the life of me can not figure out whether moving the bob up speeds up the clock or slows it down. I realize the speed of the clock is somewhat dependent on the distance of the bob. Does the bob move faster when farther away or slower? Any help would be great.</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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<p><em>Hi Gregg. All other things being equal, the period of a pendulum increases as the bob moves further from the pivot point, so the clock slows down. The approximate equation for the period T of a pendulum in terms of the acceleration g due to earth&#8217;s gravity, the constant pi, and the length L (measured from the pivot point to the center of mass) is  T = 2&pi;(L/g)<sup>1/2</sup>, so the period increases as the square root of the length. In other words, if we assume all the mass is located in the bob, doubling its distance will increase its period by a factor of 2<sup>1/2</sup>=1.414. The exact equation for the period of a pendulum is not expressible as a finite equation like this, but it turns out that the period calculated from it also varies directly with the square root of L. Perhaps your inconsistent results are due to changes happening in the amplitude of the pendulum swing when you move the bob&#8212;larger swings of a pendulum increase its period, and here the exact equation can be approximated as T = T<sub>0</sub>(1 + &theta;<sup>2</sup>/16), where T<sub>0</sub> is the small-angle period calculated from the earlier formula and &theta; is the amplitude (angle) of the swing. So if the swing increases as a side effect of moving the bob closer to the pivot point, then they will have opposing effects on the period that can make understanding what is going on much more difficult.  &#8212; Ron D.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Almost Scientific &#8250; Submission #1</title>
		<link>http://myreckonings.com/wordpress/2007/11/19/the-not-so-simple-pendulum/#comment-7</link>
		<author>Almost Scientific &#8250; Submission #1</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Thanks, my first pingback---Ron D.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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<p><em>Thanks, my first pingback&#8212;Ron D.</em></p>
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